I've only just read the patch notes for 2.0 here - http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/11012 (I know this is old, but new to me, I haven't followed this game since I was sorely dissapointed with its release.)

If 2.0 is implemented completely without dissapointment then it has the potential to make Final Fantasy XIV the one of, if not the, best MMO of 2012/2013. 

I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but it's hard to not have high hopes when everything they have done to the game since it's release has only been good, dragging the game from a pile of crap to a playable ( yet still bad) MMO. 

If they continue to do what they've been doing recently then they could be the first ever MMO company to save an MMO and bring it back to the masses (I'm sure the PS3 version will also help in that respect.)

It's too hard for me not to get excited about the upcoming features, but I still won't play again until all of 2.0 has been added to the game.

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

Originally posted by RedKatana

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

I agree with the best graphics part, I've never seen graphics like them in an MMO, and the crafting is more enjoyable than than crafting in many other games.

But the combat is not the best, it's very similar to everything else. But once it has been updated with 2.0 it should be good. 

Would make for an epic comeback

Those aren't the 2.0 patch notes.... not even close.

Out of that list only character jump is planned for 2.0, the rest is either implemented already or implemented pre-2.0.

2.0 changes is an entirely different list in itself.

Originally posted by RedKatana

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

LOL  I admit I got sucked in and bought this the other day outta boredom to go check out if it really had changed, and the game is just as god awful as it ever was. Don't get sucked in.

Originally posted by BassmanJ

Originally posted by RedKatana

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

 

Bwahahahaha! Dude even squeenix hated the game, get over yourself. Its just heading into being FF11.5. Enjoy your clone indeed.

Even if it turned out to be an 11.5 clone it would be better than any other mmorpg on the market today. 2.0 will bring this game back to the light if it turns out to be like it should of been in the first place. Lets just hope this time around it works. Its just that 2.0 seems soo far away. But that might not matter with Swtor being a huge let down and nothing else to be released in 2012 besides maybe GW2.

I predict it will make a come back. Just need people to think for thier self and actually try the game.

need people to think for thier self

Well, therein lies the problem.

Good luck with that.

Originally posted by RedKatana

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

Dude, come on down out of the clouds your head is stuck in....i'll wait abit....okay. FF14 sold 610,000 copies at launch. 610 THOUSAND. Those people alll decided to buy the game even though it had horrid reviews. I can't find numbers on how many are left now, but it is nowhere near that, and i'd say less than 10k based on what i see ingame. Did all those people just up and quit because they saw a review? is that what you HONESTLY think? Wake up man. the game tanked, and tanked hard.

-Graphics? agree. fantastic. though they did copy paste much of the terrain, and they didn't hide it well. Area redesigns- a coming thing- are supposed to fix that as well.

-combat. Combat was Horrible as well. So horrid they redid much of it, and are still redoing much of it. Why? because 600thousand people didn't like it enough to stay. As for how it is present day, it is shaping up, but it IS a press 1-2-3-4 combat. Which isn't a bad thing. But don't say it isn't what it is.

-Crafting. Not too schooled on this myself, but i did try it. the recipes might have been there, but the actual act of crafting items was terrible.

- Sure, the game took a chance at not being like WoW, so did the last one. did that one Tank though? nope. You can't give a company with this amount of developers and money to back them ANY slack for pushing out something that isn't right. They half assed this game, and it blew in their face. They know it, we know, you are the only one in the dark.

Enough reading, go play your subpar game, and pay for it while you do so.

Originally posted by RedKatana

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

I think it's more accurate to say that there's a lot of folks who saw what a complete disaster the game was at launch and can't imagine how it would be possible to fix without a complete re-write.   Basically the only thing worth saving are the graphics (and even the way the worlds are built are horrible as well and repetitive texture wise).

As for the graphics being the best, well, I'm not quite sure I'd agree with that but they are certainly very good.   I think if you look at Rift you will see graphics done right.   Not as artsy as FF but certainly fantastic and with a deeper polish and engine that actually works extremely well (unlike FF).   Anyway not my intention to get into a comparison.

From what I'm hearing FF still hasn't fixed the issues keeping players away such as horrible solo play, the simply weird combat system (I just couldn't believe how it worked at launch, locking down your characters movement and such), the UI ala single bar... what gives?   On and on.

I'd be willing to take another look but I'm doubtful enough has changed for the game to be viable.   Hopefully I am wrong.

Originally posted by BassmanJ

Originally posted by RedKatana

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

 

Bwahahahaha! Dude even squeenix hated the game, get over yourself. Its just heading into being FF11.5. Enjoy your clone indeed.

Comments like this are interesting.

Considering how the game completely crashed and died I'd think making changes more in line  with a game that people actually want to play would be desirable?  Or should SE keep the game as is so that it appeals to a very very very very small set of players or should they actually make it something that normal people want to play and maybe salvage something of their loss?

FFXIV eill never make a decent comeback. The people who looked foward to it bought and left in discust. Unless they offer a few free months playing around with 2.0 I certainly wont.

SE left a very bad taste in the fans mouth and it is highly unlikely that more than a token amount will ever return.

Originally posted by StanlyStanko

Would make for an epic comeback

I would love to see it.

The market needs a AAA 100% PvE MMO.

Originally posted by grndzro

FFXIV eill never make a decent comeback. The people who looked foward to it bought and left in discust. Unless they offer a few free months playing around with 2.0 I certainly wont.

SE left a very bad taste in the fans mouth and it is highly unlikely that more than a token amount will ever return.

I am sure there will be a reactivation offer at 2.0

But 'a few months'... wouldn't think so. 2 weeks to a month is plenty to see if you want to stay. They don't owe anyone out there any compensation or whatever past that now.

Even if FF14 becomes one of the best games ever, it has already failed. If an MMO does not meet expectations at launch it won't be successful later. MMORPG players are pretty unforgiving. 

Originally posted by Toxia

- Sure, the game took a chance at not being like WoW, so did the last one. did that one Tank though? nope.

ROFL ~ FFXI launched in Japan mid-2002, and fall-2003 in the US!  WoW did not launch until winter-2004!

Originally posted by Celcius

Even if FF14 becomes one of the best games ever, it has already failed. If an MMO does not meet expectations at launch it won't be successful later. MMORPG players are pretty unforgiving. 

This isn't true at all.

Most MMO players just look past anything bad in a newly released MMO, unless it makes the game unplayable, knowing that eventually it will be removed.

Name me one MMO that has ever met expectations on launch day? I can't think of one and I've played WoW, AoC, Aion, Rift, FF11 and almost every single AAA MMO.

Actually Glitch did pretty well, but that's the only one I can think of that went beyond my expectations, maybe because I wasn't expecting much. 

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Those aren't the 2.0 patch notes.... not even close.

Out of that list only character jump is planned for 2.0, the rest is either implemented already or implemented pre-2.0.

2.0 changes is an entirely different list in itself.

Do you have a link to 2.0 patch notes?

I'd love to read them!

I probally would have given this game a go but there is no digital download for the EU and I aint seen a copy in the shops for a very long time..