Originally posted by Valua

Originally posted by Celcius

Even if FF14 becomes one of the best games ever, it has already failed. If an MMO does not meet expectations at launch it won't be successful later. MMORPG players are pretty unforgiving. 

 

This isn't true at all.

 

Most MMO players just look past anything bad in a newly released MMO, unless it makes the game unplayable, knowing that eventually it will be removed.

 

Name me one MMO that has ever met expectations on launch day? I can't think of one and I've played WoW, AoC, Aion, Rift, FF11 and almost every single AAA MMO.

 

Actually Glitch did pretty well, but that's the only one I can think of that went beyond my expectations, maybe because I wasn't expecting much. 

There is a huge difference between meeting expectations and having an incomplete mess. No, most MMO players do not look past anything bad in a newly released MMO. I understand alot of core MMO players expect some kind of server lag/crashes/bugginess but not an incomplete game. If the issues are not fixed promptly, the game gets a bad rep for life and causes it to lose out on future customers.

The problem a game like FF14 faces is that when it came out, it was poorly recieved and was not ready at all. Games that were not ready but had a much higher quality at launch, including some of the ones you mentioned, have failed to bring back the number of subscribers they initially had. I don't know how the hell you expect a launch failure of this magnitude to recover when those other titles have not. Rift is pretty much (not counting SWTOR for now since it is too early to tell) the only success story we have seen since LOTRO and that is because they were well recieved at launch and continued to  produce content for the game since they were not busy recovering from a failed launch. Even those games don't really have mind blowing numbers... So again, what makes you believe this will be any different? I would be shocked if ff14 even surpassed the peak subs that FF11 had at this point.

Originally posted by Caldrin

I probally would have given this game a go but there is no digital download for the EU and I aint seen a copy in the shops for a very long time..

you can get it off amazon for under £4.

2.0 is scheduled around T1 2013, in 1 year ! too late for most gamers

people are now waiting for other games (GW2, Tera, TSW...) I don't think FFXIV will ever recover.

Originally posted by salanae

2.0 is scheduled around T1 2013, in 1 year ! too late for most gamers

people are now waiting for other games (GW2, Tera, TSW...) I don't think FFXIV will ever recover.

 

You're forgetting about Japan. To be honest if this game does well in Japan it doesn't really need the rest of us to be a financial success, and think about console users, it will be the second MMO and arguably the first really MMORPG that the PS3 will get, and because of that I wouldn't be surprised to see large console sales.

Im looking forward to this, the 2 year wait and disapointment of FFXIV was hard true, but ive seen they learned a hard lesson and are all the better for it, so 2.0 will be a major improvement.

Originally posted by salanae

2.0 is scheduled around T1 2013, in 1 year ! too late for most gamers

people are now waiting for other games (GW2, Tera, TSW...) I don't think FFXIV will ever recover.

Another way of looking at it is that in a year, once those games have been played by the majority of fickle players and they have moved on, there isn't much coming up except for AA (and that has a PvP model that won't appeal to many). Quite a few people will be looking for something to sink their teeth into.

Sure, it won't ever be a huge hit in the sense that most MMO players demand in order to validate their choice of game, but it can very feasibly reach a point where it has a healthy stable player base. Not everyone cares about if a game has a million + playing... as long as their server is healthy (has a decent pop for groups etc) and has ongoing support from the devs they are happy, and FFXIV can still easily achieve that for years to come.

FFXIV will still look graphically strong in a year.

Originally posted by Valua

If they continue to do what they've been doing recently then they could be the first ever MMO company to save an MMO and bring it back to the masses (I'm sure the PS3 version will also help in that respect.)

Continue doing what, exactly?

Add minor stuff for lvl 30-50 players, and pretty much completely ignore changing anything below, that's gonna attract the masses, and keep them playing?

Seriously, considering all the time that's gone, they've added/changed extremely little in this game. Compared to ie Rift, what FFXIV has gotten in over one year, doesn't even compare to the contents of minor patches in Rift. And Trion add something to their game almost every month. FFXIV have one of the largest dev staffs out there - makes me wonder wtf SE is paying them for...

If you really read the 2.0 patch notes (your link) without your rose colored glasses, you may be able to see how little info they really provide. For example, check their notes about an auction house, a feature quite a lot of players regards as crucial. What do they say? They are going  to examine, then examine more, then finally start planning based on the examination results. A lot of bs where they really aren't saying much. The notes are full of shit like that, and such won't tell you at all what's gonna be changed/added, or what's not.

This game is a piece of crap IMO. I had hopes for it, but not anymore. Seeing how little Yoshi and his team are actually doing, instead of just smooth talk, is a major reason, but not the only one. 2.0 may make this game lesser crappy, but it will NEVER be a huge success, that's something I'm absolutely sure about.

SE was a great company, and they were able to make great games. Sadly, neither is true today, imo.

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Btw, since you're using the "it has potential" argument. That's what we kept hearing over and over again about games like Vanguard, Warhammer, and a few others. EVERY SINGLE FAILURE had some kind of "potential". "Potential" is the kiss of death.

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Got news for some of you, FF14 turning into a clone of FF11 pre-Goddess is the ONLY way I'll ever touch this game. There are plenty of people who just wanted an update FF11, and FF14 looks like it's trying to become that.

Whether or not it will succeed remains to be seen. You're either going to piss off the people that got used to the solo modes recently introduced to FF11 (not THAT recently, but still) or you're going to piss off the people that missed old school FF11 where you needed a party just to wipe your ass.

Hopefully SE finds a balance somewhere.

Originally posted by Valua

 Do you have a link to 2.0 patch notes?

 

I'd love to read them!

There are no "patch notes" per se, but four PDF files containing the largest additions during/shortly after 2.0 and plans for up until it's release.

They all can be found on the bottom of this page http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/teaser/index.html

Originally posted by RedKatana

The game is the best game right now to me, but has a downside very low population, people are not smart enough to decide for themselves they see bad review and they don't play. The review is done by haters that like easy games like wow.

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

Enough reading go play your clones lol.

Ive owned FFXI for 4 years now, and just recently started to play it. (Love it by the way.) I fell into the he said, she said bullcrap and didnt bother to try it. I regret that. I plan on playing FFXIV as soon as i build my new PC. Gonna see for myself what its all about. Big fan of Final Fantasy series so im cheering for FFXIV.

Originally posted by Netspook

Continue doing what, exactly?

Add minor stuff for lvl 30-50 players, and pretty much completely ignore changing anything below, that's gonna attract the masses, and keep them playing?

Seriously, considering all the time that's gone, they've added/changed extremely little in this game. Compared to ie Rift, what FFXIV has gotten in over one year, doesn't even compare to the contents of minor patches in Rift. And Trion add something to their game almost every month. FFXIV have one of the largest dev staffs out there - makes me wonder wtf SE is paying them for...

If you really read the 2.0 patch notes (your link) without your rose colored glasses, you may be able to see how little info they really provide. For example, check their notes about an auction house, a feature quite a lot of players regards as crucial. What do they say? They are going  to examine, then examine more, then finally start planning based on the examination results. A lot of bs where they really aren't saying much. The notes are full of shit like that, and such won't tell you at all what's gonna be changed/added, or what's not.

This game is a piece of crap IMO. I had hopes for it, but not anymore. Seeing how little Yoshi and his team are actually doing, instead of just smooth talk, is a major reason, but not the only one. 2.0 may make this game lesser crappy, but it will NEVER be a huge success, that's something I'm absolutely sure about.

SE was a great company, and they were able to make great games. Sadly, neither is true today, imo.

EDIT:

Btw, since you're using the "it has potential" argument. That's what we kept hearing over and over again about games like Vanguard, Warhammer, and a few others. EVERY SINGLE FAILURE had some kind of "potential". "Potential" is the kiss of death.

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It is easy to make comparisons to a game like Rift but at the end of the day the two teams are not even remotely similar. The difference is extremely easy to see when you look at what each team is doing with their time.

Yoshida, with his team of 250+ people are building another game from the remnants of the current FFXIV, while keeping the current service live nonetheless. The servers are re-made from the scratch, the game engine is completely rebuilt, the areas are completely altered and the User Interface bears no similarity to the current UI. Their team's work is more akin to a developer developing a new MMO, not updating an existing one. The only difference is that it is made to be a spiritual successor to a game that will cease to exist in a few month's time, which is what makes their situation unique.

So in the end every other released MMO's developer has been updating their existing game while SE creates a new game altogether.

Originally posted by Valua

Originally posted by RedKatana

- Best graphics ever seen in a mmorpg.

-With recent update combat is the best also, trust me no press 1 press 2 press 3 press 4 and repeat here.

-Deep crafting with minigame and chance on high quality, endless recipies.

-It's the game that took a chance on creating some other then a WOW look a like game.

 

I agree with the best graphics part, I've never seen graphics like them in an MMO, and the crafting is more enjoyable than than crafting in many other games.

 

But the combat is not the best, it's very similar to everything else. But once it has been updated with 2.0 it should be good. 

My only gripe with the game .well 2 things actually

1) The UI is appalling..

2) lack of content.

But they are sorting it..i subbed for 6 months but i only log in twice a week just to lvl up..so that i,m at max when 2.0 is released...i just hope they get it right because it amazing to look at i have to say..just a bit laggy..not sure if thats the engine they use..but it seems to take ages to load in major hubs,cities.and i have a top of the range pc..perhaps someone could shed light on the lag or weather its just me and my pc.

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Good  times, love it.

I don't hate FFXIV but THE only thing that annoy the f*** out of me to the point that I can't play is : WHEN you get to a merchant to sell/buy a bunch of stuff, get ready to SPEND literally a REAL LIFE hour selling it to the merchant...

I don't know if it's due to their servers responding too slow, but it doesn't help when you press SELL and it just don't do it as you press it... it takes 5 secs to do it...

And yes I have an ultra fast computer and good connection. I really doubt the problem would be my computer.

Just saying, that might be why people are still not ready to go back to it. This is why I'm not re-subbing. I don't have hours to waste only to sell/buy/trade stuff.

Well, since I bought an FFXIV Collector's Edition when it came out and still feel burned by the experience, I'll keep an eye on the 2.0 re-release in early 2013, in the hopes of getting something for my money.

I said shortly after release that the game was literally in a state that it probably needed another two years or more of development time and that all the world maps should have been scratched and redesigned. Well, kudos to SE for actually putting the thing back into development for twp plus years and redesigning the world. The question is "will 2.0 finally be the game that should have been before SE ever considered a launch"? Or, will it just fall short in new ways?

I guess, in about a year from now, we may find out.

I actually really hope they pull it off, because if they do and the relaunch manages to not only be good, but successful, it might serve as a lesson to other developers that even if you look at your game as it nears the end of it's planned development time and it's still a complete mess, it might just be better to work on it for another couple years and redo what ever needs to be redone, rather than just squandering all that work and money by launching a game they have to realize is is just not  even close to being release worthy.

Of course the leap of faith has to be based on some hope that either the developement team can actually do something incredible if given the time, money and task to rebuild the game. Or, if not the original team, maybe a new team that can take what had been done and find a way to rework it into something great?

I wish SE luck.

I actually got the game today. Was searching amazon for random stuff and remembered to check FFXIV pricetags and got a copy for 5€ wich is essentially nothing. I was eager to give it a try since i played FFXI for a while and really enjoyed it, but now that sort of excitement is all gone, after reading these comments.

Guess i'll wait until 2.0 to check the game, if nothing else grabs my attention by then (Highly unlikely since i've been waiting for GW2 to come out for what feels like an eternity, and i pre-ordered TERA wich has a really nice, entertaining combat system). Ah well...

No way!...jumping!? Awesome!

Seriously, though, the changes sound good on paper. Again, I'm looking forward to this update. I hope its every bit as good as it sounds. The current "armoury" system is so terrible in my opinion. Definitely looking forward to good old fashioned FF jobs.

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Got news for some of you, FF14 turning into a clone of FF11 pre-Goddess is the ONLY way I'll ever touch this game. There are plenty of people who just wanted an update FF11, and FF14 looks like it's trying to become that.

 

Whether or not it will succeed remains to be seen. You're either going to piss off the people that got used to the solo modes recently introduced to FF11 (not THAT recently, but still) or you're going to piss off the people that missed old school FF11 where you needed a party just to wipe your ass.

 

Hopefully SE finds a balance somewhere.

this guy

this guy wanted an FF11 v2. Give me FF11+

• Jumping
• Better mount system
• More ingame tools. The majority of the people I knew didn't want to use Windower and the like, but the difference in fun factor, even though it was 'cheating'...was phenomenal.

As I play more MMOs, I only feel more and more like I miss ffxi, but not that Abyssea crap.

But to me Ninja is the definitive class of XI (even though it was an expansion job) and I really need ninja to be there. Nothing else has ever been so fun.

LOL this game already failed. 2.0 isn't going to make it an epic hit either. Game is a flop and will stay that way even with a slight increase of subs. Bad game is bad game.

WEll say what you will about this game, even if 2.0 is finally the one, this game will never take off and get a healthy population , some may come back, but as far as new buyers, wont see too many..

Not with all the releases coming out right away, not with so many playing SWTOR ( yes i know you all hate it, but still lots of people bought it and play, i know you will all say your servers are dead)

And for some , they have such a bitter taste in their mouth of all the failed MMO's of the past 6 years they wont touch this game,  1.7 was suppose to fix it, then 1.8 ect.....

This game will end up like Vanguard if it does get good.  Will be this awesome game that took 2 years too long to get good and no one will care.